Hi FJZ and Cdes
I am also a member of Justice For Alliance.
We are looking forward to JP John Hlophe as a Chief Justice.
A lobby group hoping to see Cape Judge President John Hlophe in the chief justice chair has been formed, the Justice for Hlophe group said on Thursday.
At a press briefing in Parktown, Justice for Hlophe spokesperson Percy Gumbi said the group was formed by professionals from the legal fraternity, business, finance and information technology sectors.
The group's stance was to oversee transformation starting with the judiciary and that they believed Hlophe was the best person for the job.
Their goal was to ensure that Hlophe becomes the next chief justice.
The Constitutional Court is expected to see a large exodus of judges later this year as Chief Justice Pius Langa, Judge Kate O'Regan and Judge Albie Sachs retire.
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Gumbi detailed Hlophe's career and added that his qualifications and career background as well as his strong views on transformation made him the ideal candidate.
Gauteng convenor of the Justice for Hlophe group, Jabu Khuluse, said Hlophe had been "under vicious attack in the media" by "people with certain agendas".
The group believe there were "dark forces" working against Hlophe.
It had submitted a nomination for Hlophe to the Judicial Services Commission which he signed indicating his acceptance, Gumbi said.
He declined to elaborate on how many people were part of the group and added that it would function like an NGO and was funded out of the member's pockets.
Gumbi describe Hlophe a "young, energetic, independent thinker" and a "visionary
possessing astute leadership characteristics". - Sapa
Justice for All.
Amandla...
16/7/2009 3:20:03 PM
Pinky Makatini-Miles
FJZ, Comrades,
I thought this was an interesting article to share:
Zuma must beware the booby-trapped calls for ‘leadership’
XOLELA MANGCU Published: 2009/07/16 06:38:38 AM
THIS is a plea to President Jacob Zuma to please ignore the hypochondriacs. These are the people who are so dependent on the idea of the leader as the “big man” that they are now having withdrawal symptoms.
This reliance on the big man — or “die hoofleier”, or “the chief” — lies deep in the history of this country. It’s a political culture we inherited from Jan van Riebeeck right through to all those vainglorious 19th century colonial governors. The history of the 20th century is littered with these big men, and they were all men — Paul Kruger, Louis Botha, Jan Smuts, DF Malan, Hendrik Verwoerd, John Vorster, PW Botha and FW de Klerk.
I may have missed some of these unlikable characters but I’m sure you get the drift. Dan O’Meara illustrates this culture brilliantly in his book, Forty Lost Years, the best thing written on the history of the National Party.
O’Meara also makes the observation, first made by Steve Biko in the 1970s, that people such as Verwoerd went beyond just Afrikaner nationalism to the construction of an overarching culture of white supremacy that included English-speaking whites.
In his brilliant column on this page yesterday, Steven Friedman described how the pervasiveness of white supremacist thinking produced a culture that always treats black people as suspect and gives the benefit of the doubt to the worst white people. Indeed, how does an unreconstructed racist such as David Bullard achieve the status of a superstar in the white community? Well, in the same way that a white person with a standard four could spit in the face of a black doctor or lawyer and be decorated as a hero.
Just as this society and its institutions have taken white mediocrity to be the standard, we have inherited the reliance on “die hoofleier” or “the chief” in the democratic era.
Our evolution over the past 10 years was shepherded by two very different big men — Nelson Mandela and Thabo Mbeki . I shall resist the temptation to elaborate on the differences between them. Let’s just say one was tall and one was short — literally and figuratively.
The absurdity of the “big man” logic is that Zuma is expected to solve every major problem we otherwise cannot solve.
And if he should fail, then he would have failed as a leader, which would then confirm what the Bullards secretly wished for in the first place, so that all manner of racist stereotypes could then be confirmed.
While the pleas for “leadership” may sound the most reasonable thing for citizens to ask of a president, they are actually not that innocent. In reality, these are pleas not just for Zuma to intervene, but to intervene on the side of those who make the pleas. Clever. But don’t take the bait, Mr President. Instead, provide the platform for us to work out our problems.
If all the legacy you left was a nation in conversation with itself in search of solutions for its problems, then you would have done more than most presidents in history.
There will no doubt be times when you have to make decisive interventions. But even as you do that, avoid the trap of seeming to have answers for everything. That would make you a pretender. People don’t like pretenders. If you don’t believe me, ask your predecessor.
If I were to advise you on one thing, it would be to recommend one of the best pieces I have ever read on political leadership. It’s a chapter titled “Neither Leaders Nor Followers” in Benjamin Barber’s A Passion for Democracy. He warns us about the idea of the leader as the big man thus: “Public officials displaying an omnicompetent mastery of their public responsibilities unburden private men and women of their responsibilities.”
He warns that “the people are apt to cry ‘what will we do without him?’ and doubt whether they can go on. What is really only a departure is experienced as a loss and an incapacitation.”
Frankly this is the stuff that makes presidents think they are indispensable and gets them conspiring to extend their stay in office, by any means necessary. Who can blame them when we build them into the dictators we later decry? But if we cannot learn from our most recent history, then what shall be our guide?
Mangcu is affiliated to the University of Johannesburg and is a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.
16/7/2009 1:59:54 PM
SUKA
Moralo, You like fishing? Lets see how many you will catch?
16/7/2009 1:37:51 PM
Kaizer Mohau
Dear Suka and CO.
It is a pity that you are saying the so-called Jacob Zuma admin should learn to take responsibility and stop pointing fingers at the previous government – but you are mum when your leaders blames lack of service delivery on the current government as if they were never part of this government.
Let us not lie in our attempt to make points – I will like you (copies) to focus on the current crisis facing your organization and stop making provocative statements.
Your Madam and “Oubaas” have left your organization blaming leadership crisis as the reason for their departure – since its formation COPE has had more members resigning from it than has the DA or any other party – for that matter – let alone the ANC.
Your Anele “Baberbek” Mda is now facing execution – in retaliation she accuses some of her friends (not comrades) for leaking personal information about her. Perhaps today is Lynda Odendaal and Grindrod tomorrow will be some from your youth movement.
Suka, to be frank It is boring to debate with you as you do not debate ideas – what you only know is to insult people as if they are unable to insult you.
You are unable to use your own website for debates not because the website is not working but because there is no life in your political life both as COPE and as an intellectual.
I think you are aware that history does not permit political idiots like Terror Lekota to lead – because once Terror leads I am certain that COPE will die within a period months.
16/7/2009 10:28:53 AM
Moralo
@SUKA
You see now, i said this before. Odendaal will respond.
FACEBOOK continues to be the battleground for the war of words between Cope’s former second deputy president Lynda Odendaal and the party’s former spin doctor, Sipho Ngwema.
Odendaal says, her security services were funded by their family and did not cost Cope one cent.She said she had sacrificed the stability of her business empire to work for the party and opened her home for Cope to hold its meetings.
I quote Malema again, those who had since resigned form the ANC to join COPE they should know that they had now “invited poverty at home”. "They are a disappointment not only to themselves but to their spouse and families
In a parting shot, after admitting she (Odendaal) might not be a typical politician, she wrote … “So unlike you, Sipho, who went on strike when Cope did not pay your stipend on time”.
SUKA did you know that Lekota income and Dandala's income over and above his MP income their stipend is sponsored by Vukwa investment, Saki and Khumalo. Will these entities keep up paying their stipends when their HOPE (COPE) is gradually sinking?
What about Phumzile Mlambo- Ngcuka ? Do you think she will sacrifice her benefit (i.e. security etc.)as a former state Deputy President?
With debts devouring COPE and these battles i do not think so. Remember Vukwa investment, Saki and Khumalo need to bill her benefit and her income.
With Khumalo now becoming bankrupt and Saki has now become a reputational risk to Standard Bank and now his chairmanship is been questioned by the Standard Bank shareholders.
Just watch media space!!
Moralospear
16/7/2009 10:21:24 AM
Moralo
COPE and Co-Opt strategy
Now is planning on co-opting former deputy president Phumzile Mlambo- Ngcuka into its leadership.
Is this Co-Opt strategy of theirs working? The answer is NOOOOO. Phumzile Mlambo- Ngcuka does not have leadership prowess. Co-opting former deputy president will further divide COPE.
Remeber Dandala and Odendaal were Co-Opted, that is why they are sitting with current leadership crisis. They both demeonstrated leadership clumsiness.
Leaders are born to be, elected and co-opted, for e.g. JZ, JM, etc.
Moralospear
16/7/2009 10:20:46 AM
Wa Nkunda
Moralo, I do not agree with you when you say that leaders are born to be... Leaders are created and that is why all of us have the respomsibility of creating a leader of the day and of the future. Let us not find ourselves being slaves to slave mentality.
It is important to create conditions that people excell in leadership skills. To cite an example: Magret Thatcher was created by the Intelligence. She had to go from one training to the other to fit the profile the British planned. She never came as a shock to the reign. Zuma has been prepared by conditions that hardened him to become tried and tested cadre and that did not come as a shock to South Africans.
This is the time to start creating our leaders for the planned future on non racial, non sexist and non tribal South Africa. A South Africa that will respond appropriately and instantly to the challenges of the day such as recession, xenophobia and uranium power in information power. It is time that we, as South Africans move away from the mentality of dependence syndrome, of a welfare state. I do not think we should be begging the G8 for $20billion because we have the competency and capacity to do better. We have everything, from platinum to uranium to human resources. All that is needed is to have the Japanese approach immediately after the 11WW when young students were send abroad to learn and be educated.
Abroad these students learned and were never distracted by petty materials because they knew that at the end they will have what they missed. Like I said previously, it hurts to see a youth who does not have any experience at all in this world of sharks immediately when appointed into position is driving the latest Porche and expensive clothes. If I had a chance and was in their position, I was going to invest in the pioneers and disadvantaged youth by sponsoring them in education.
I know people have started questioning about the role I am playing presently. In short let me say that we are working on something big and small to recognise our people for the role they played during the struggle. The trust will also recognise those who died in the struggle and ensure that their names are known and remenbered whenever we celebrate. It will ensure that their families are back in the main stream of being proud South Africans, politically, socially and economically.
This is the time of delivery and planning for the future.
Yes AK and the others, there is a need that we organise a meeting/gala evening with Jz to talk and know each other and the sooner this happens, the better. It will be easier thereafter to address individual challenges.
Nothing is impossible.
16/7/2009 9:41:33 AM
SUKA
At what point and when will JZ and his administration start taking responsibility?
They seem to be very good at pushing the blame to the previous admin, as if JZ has never been in government before?
Lindiwe Sisulu,Jeff Radebe, Dlamini-Zuma, have been in government since 1994 and were part of decision making all along.
TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOLKS.
How much more time, do you need? Another 20 years...?????????
16/7/2009 9:25:20 AM
Moralo
COPE and Co-Opt strategy
Now is planning on co-opting former deputy president Phumzile Mlambo- Ngcuka into its leadership.
Is this Co-Opt strategy of theirs working? The answer is NOOOOO. Phumzile Mlambo- Ngcuka into does not have leadership prowess. Co-opting former deputy president will further divide COPE.
Remeber Dandala and Odendaal were Co-Opted, that is why they are sitting with current leadership crisis. They both demeonstrated leadership clumsiness.
Leaders are born to be, for e.g. JZ, JM, etc.
Moralospear
16/7/2009 9:13:05 AM
Moralo
@SUKA
You see now, i said this before. Odendaal will respond.
FACEBOOK continues to be the battleground for the war of words between Cope’s former second deputy president Lynda Odendaal and the party’s former spin doctor, Sipho Ngwema.
Odendaal says, her security services were funded by their family and did not cost Cope one cent.She said she had sacrificed the stability of her business empire to work for the party and opened her home for Cope to hold its meetings.
I quote Malema again, those who had since resigned form the ANC to join COPE they should know that they had now “invited poverty at home”. "They are a disappointment not only to themselves but to their wives and families,
In a parting shot, after admitting she (Odendaal) might not be a typical politician, she wrote … “So unlike you, Sipho, who went on strike when Cope did not pay your stipend on time”.
SUKA did you know that Lekota income and Dandala income over and above his MP income he gets a stipend sponsored by Vukwa investment, Saki and Khumalo. Do you these entities will keep up paying their stipends when COPE is gradually sinking?
What about Phumzile Mlambo- Ngcuka ? Do you think she will sacrifice her benefit (i.e. security etc.)as a former state Deputy President?
With debts devouring COPE and these battles i do not think so. Remember Vukwa investment, Saki and Khumalo needs to bill her benefit and her income.
With Khumalo now becoming bankrupt and Saki has become a reputational risk to Standard Bank and now his chairmanship is now been questioned by the shareholders.
Just watch media space!!
Moralospear
15/7/2009 9:28:42 PM
Concer (FJZ Mobile)
The dissidents to nationalization have only one weapon. That weapon is to
intimidate the ANC from implementing nationalization. The intimidation ranges
from the incapability of government to manage the mines, brain drain, weakening
of the rand to investors de-investing.
Some of these threats are simply outrageous and the underlying assumption to
these threats is that we, the ordinary people, are already enjoying the benefits
of the capitalist system. Such assumption is obviously incorrect, evidence being
the impoverished majority of our people. If capitalism was actually addressing
the bread and butter issues of ours we would not be calling for its abolishment.
Whilst there will obviously be dark forces who will want to undermine and
sabotage the government's programme of nationalisation, we cannot allow
ourselves to be intimidated by these threats since we already have nothing to
lose. The people who will actually lose if the US and UK for an instance happen
to decide to sabotage our economy are the investors themselves. The ANC should
make it clear that it has no choice but to succumb to the democratic will of the
people of South Africa that mines are to be nationalized.
Aluta continua!!
Posted to the Friends of JZ website via www.myjz.co.za
15/7/2009 5:39:56 PM
Pat Stevens
AK
Umlilo brought up a good point, COPE call themselves Congress of the People, so why are they silent on the Freedom Charter. Suka is a member of COPE so why doesn’t he start the debate, did our ancestors mean us to seize private property, or did they mean that all people should be allowed to own property? Maybe the Citizen should publish a book about it?
Strikes! Strikes! Strikes! Am I the only person in South Africa still working? It’s a harrowing thought my friends, but it’s nice to know, that Anglo are building a environmentally friendly plant at Frank Concentrator.
15/7/2009 4:20:49 PM
Admirer
Concer
Most publications rely on exaggerations and outright distortions to boost sales figures. The suggestion that “SMS banking is not safe” is misleading, since it implies that SMS banking was safe in the first place. Any form of electronic communication will never be safe. The newspaper article simply stated the obvious.
15/7/2009 2:22:24 PM
SUKA
MM, I also fought for the freedom of thsi country and it is my right to express my opinions and views in any forum.
Unless, you guys are not democratic.....then ..
COPE will exist for a very long time. The seed has been planted.
15/7/2009 1:36:38 PM
MM
If they choose to ignore whining colonial flotsam, babbling on about Mugabe and breadbaskets, that is their right. It is beyond irony that their deafness arises simply because those who dare to criticise have pale skins, and even more tragic that true black intellectuals like Tutu, Ramphele, (Moeletsi) Mbeki and Obama are dismissed as brainwashed coconuts. I agree that apartheid is ultimately to blame - it planted the seed of racism which has now completely overgrown the South African psyche. For a while I thought Madiba may have tamed this noxious weed, but Thabo Mbeki’s verbal fertilizer brought it back even thicker than before. I respect your determination to stand up and be counted, Charlene, but I believe we’re past the point where the critical white voice has anything useful to say: I find myself understanding those contributors who say we should shut up and get out of the way. Hopefully, in doing so, a greater diversity of black opinion will be heard, and will move the centre of gravity away from those who trump every argument with a race card. I truly hope it happens before we all hit rock-bottom.
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Alastair Grant on July 15th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Please comrades can you please explain to me what is a true black intellectual, and how does one become one.
15/7/2009 1:14:36 PM
Stingless
Qoute:
Simon Grindrod, and former second deputy president Lynda Odendaal, who resigned last week.
The two said power struggles were at the core of COPE's problems.
'It's quite sad that Charlotte made such statements'
But Lobe said their public criticism was cowardly. "If I have concerns about the party that I belong to, I will raise my concerns. I expected of them, when they had concerns, to openly raise their concerns within the structures of the party. A person who goes out to raise his or her views outside the structures of the party is a coward."
People were leaving ANC and made publicity stunts that means all COPE leaders including Charlotte LOBE are cowards
Therefore COPE = Cowards
Taste your own medicine.
Please keep Sipho Ngwema's letter on your archives.
They should COPEy and paste to him when he himself and all others that are going resign.
Who will be the last man standing on ''ANC Cowards party''
15/7/2009 1:00:05 PM
MM
SUKA
Is there any reason for you to copy and paste this article here on this site , I mean it is about your beloved organization' s sickness of which I am sure non of FOJZ gives a damn about . So do you need some sympathy , please man we do not co opt people here and we do not need to co opt any one in our leaders we know our leaders , they are tried and tested, never co opted.
You so amazing, seeking attention even when it is in the expense of your own co opted leaders.
Kapish
15/7/2009 12:52:25 PM
Moralo
MY HYPHOTHESIs: In order for the two to recover(COPE and UDM)
There is a high probability that the fading UDM might merge with the now sinking COPE
Just watch the space in the media
15/7/2009 12:44:31 PM
Moralo
@SUKA
Remember most masses (poor people) can't feed (bread and butter) their families because of a mere bail amount. Most people behind bars are the black masses, all bacause of the racist judges and prosecutors currently occupying benches. Cases such as Mark Scott-Crossley are a clear example that whilst our political regime changes, our justice system needs to follow suite
Dr. Dandala when asked by John Permal about Sipho Ngwema, he clealy stated that the company (Vuwa Investments) that assigned Sipho to enhance COPE leadership has stopped his assignment and recalled him. I fail to understand if Sipho and his associates understand SA politics.
Sipho Ngwema is a failure onto himself and it's a trick to see him making this comments. Anyway who cares, i guess its odendaal oppotune to respond. There is a lot that is at stake these dead snakes are going to expose about COPE to the public.
Vuwa Investments, Saki and Khumalo must pay Sandton Convention Centre bill, COPE head quarters rental bill, COPE office administrator salaries, pay Dr. Dandala and Lekota salary if they still want to be part of SA polititics.
It is interesting to hear them saying that they are not responsible for the Sandton Convention Centre bill, political parties that were invited are.
15/7/2009 12:36:30 PM
Gatsheni Gatsheni
@Pinky
Do you care to put a 'sell by date' on my words?
Can you say with certainty that mines will have been nationalized by the end of JZ's second term (if he lasts that long)?
